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In a world saturated with didactic storytelling, the work of British-Norwegian filmmaker C. S. Nicholson emerges as a breath of fresh air. Armed with a background in philosophy and social anthropology, Nicholson wields the camera not as a tool for ethnographic documentation but as a means of questioning, exploring, and deconstructing the very narratives we tell ourselves. His award-winning short, âThe Discoverer of the Discoverers,â serves as a powerful testament to this approach, delving into the complexities of colonial history with a poetic sensibility that has captivated audiences worldwide. In this interview with Indie Shorts Mag, Nicholson discusses his creative process, his upcoming projects, and his unwavering commitment to a cinema that embraces ambiguity and intuition over rigid intellectualism.
Indie Shorts Mag: Your academic background is quite unique for a filmmaker, with degrees in both Philosophy/Social Anthropology and Film & TV Production. How does your education in the humanities influence your documentary filmmaking, both in your choice of subjects and your storytelling approach?
C. S. Nicholson: Both âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ and my upcoming feature doc were shot in a former French colony, and Iâve filmed in Brazil as well. In that sense there has been an unfortunate air of âethnographyâ about my work. But Iâm not sure whether anthropology has informed my films, or whether I chose to study anthropology and shoot films in far away places just because I love to travel. Being half Norwegian/half English, Iâve never felt at home in either country. When I travel far away, it allows me to be a stranger because I actually am out of place, not because I donât fit in where I should be at home.
Anyway, I donât apply sociological method in my filmmaking. I stopped studying anthropology because I was unconvinced of its central premise, which is to scientifically map out mankind. To distil our essence. Seems to me that anthropology says more about the anthropologist than the anthropologised.
Perhaps thatâs where the philosophy comes in. Iâm a skeptic, also when it comes to the humanities or academia. And so I try to make films that arenât fixed to any specific theory, school or method. The aim is for the films to be open and inquisitive. Iâm not interested in presenting a hypothesis. Iâm sure some of my studies inform my work on a subconscious level, but itâs against my better judgment. Life canât be reduced to rational thought.
Indie Shorts Mag: Your award-winning short, âThe Discoverer of the Discoverers,â has an evocative title. Could you delve into the central themes of the film and share what inspired you to explore this particular subject?
C. S. Nicholson: Thanks. On the surface, the film is about the first encounter between Europeans and Africansâalthough the meeting described in the film canât actually have been the very first one. But as the title suggests, one crucial theme is how we centre our stories around ourselves. To Europeans, we âdiscoveredâ the world during an âAge of Explorationâ. To the clan in the film, West Africans âdiscoveredâ Europeans. Of course, nobody discovered anything. We met.
I also position myself in the film. And so I commit the same fallacy: We see the world through our respective standpoints, while forgetting that thatâs what weâre doing. We give primacy to what we ourselves find interesting, which is what both the characters and the filmmaker do in âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ.
As to what inspired me, I really couldnât say. I was researching my work in progress, a feature doc called A Stranger Has No Eyes, when I came across a footnote about the family you see in the short. I felt compelled to know more. Sometimes you become obsessed. Iâm sure thereâs a reason why, but for creative purposes I think it best not to interrogate that. Intuition is key. Follow it, donât question it. If you analyse your curiosity and inspiration, you end up with sterile and reductive intellectual posturing.
Indie Shorts Mag: âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ has garnered an impressive 11 awards from a diverse range of international film festivals. In your opinion, what specific elements or messages in the film have allowed it to resonate so powerfully with a global audience?
C. S. Nicholson: Well, from the jury statements, it seems people have responded to what they call the filmâs âpoeticâ atmosphere, and to the overall postcolonial theme. Interrogating the legacy of imperialist expansion and not least identity runs through the age weâre living in. But theyâre often done with outrage or bitterness. I think âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ manages to strike a balance. It doesnât excuse colonialism in any way, but doesnât overstate the obvious either. It tries to look deeper than the outrage.
Also, I suspect the surprising perspective of the protagonists may have intrigued audiences globally. In the West, we assume the colonised are resentful of colonisers. That seems only logical, but perhaps itâs our guilt talking? In any case, everyone can relate to either having been colonised or having colonised, and both are touched on in the short, but in an unpredictable way that makes you think again. Whether you agree with them or not, the main charactersâ take on colonialism is somehow stimulating, in that itâs unexpected. Seems to me audiences like to think, if you make them.

Indie Shorts Mag: You not only direct but also compose the music for your films in collaboration with Stian Kjelstad Granmo. Could you describe your collaborative process? How do you and Stian work together to create a soundtrack that complements the filmâs narrative and emotional landscape?
C. S. Nicholson: I never really made music before, but the composer initially slated to do the soundtrack pulled out because he was worried somebody in Benin would cast a curse on him. Luckily, I knew Stian, who had already done some of the sound recording for the film. Heâs also a multi-instrumentalist, engineer and music producer who has released records with his bands Locult and Letâs Be Light. So I asked him for help.
I knew I wanted minimalist, ambient music made from loops. My basic concept was to sample vintage recordings relevant to the history: European classical music from the âAge of Discoveryâ and imperialism, old field recordings of descendants of enslaved people from Benin, and so on. I thought the surface noise of wax cylinders and gramophones would evoke a sense of history. So I found old recordings of operas, motets and folk songs and made some loops. In the opening scene I sample a French grand opĂŠra about an imagined exploration of Africa by Vasco de Gama in the one channel, and a Brazilian song with roots in the Bight of Benin in the other, like a call-and-response between Europe and the New World. And for the enthronement scene I sampled a piece for harpsichord that was composed by a music teacher to the Portuguese royal family. The ritual objects brought out for the ceremony are said to have been gifted by Portuguese navigators, so the loop sort of echoes those.
I asked Stian to manipulate the samples by equalising them, panning them, etc. I wanted changing repetition because history repeatsâor at least is never really over. And I wanted a heady, dizzying feel to sort of âput the audience underâ.
But Stian, being a musician, saw that the score could be a lot more than my crude, little vision and started adding synthesizer overdubs, bass, and the like. He really fleshed the pieces out. They became more melodic. He understands harmony, and found ways to fit my clumsy, incompatible loops together.
Soon, he was making loops and I was suggesting overdubs, so our roles started blending slightly. But the way Stian describes it, Iâm the producer.
Indie Shorts Mag: In 2024, you were commissioned to create the trailer for the prestigious Chicago Underground Film Festival. How did you approach the challenge of encapsulating the spirit of the worldâs longest-running underground film festival into a short piece like âTunnel Visionsâ?
C. S. Nicholson: I believe Bryan Wendorf, the founder of CUFF, asked me because of what he called my âunique styleâ or something to that effect. Which is one of the loveliest compliments Iâve received. Except I had no idea what my style was! I had to think, âIf I were me, what sort of thing would I make?â I quickly realised I just had to make whatever came to mind. Wonât anything I make be in my style?
The concept was a bit corny. Itâs the Chicago UNDERGROUND Film Festival, so I had the ideaâif you can even call it thatâto shoot in the actual underground. The passing windows of a train bear some resemblance to rolls of film. So I had the colourist I like to work with, Jens Valberg, plot images I had left over from shoots in Benin into the windows, to give the appearance of film running through a projector.
The close-up of the terrified eye of a cow being sacrificed reminded me of BuĂąuelâs âAn Andalusian Dogâ, or âBlood of the Beastsâ by Georges Franju. A fitting reference to avant-garde cinema. Obviously, the eye has connotations to watching films, so I added a clip of a man slicing his own eyelid with a blunt knife as well. That was shot during a Vodu ceremony to the god Kokou, whose spirit is said to imbue believers with the power to withstand pain and injury. Itâs spectacular and painful to behold at the same time. Lastly, thereâs the clip of the child brandishing the severed head of a goat. Thatâs from a GunnukĂł ceremony in Porto-Novo. The goatâs head makes me think of Kenneth Anger and his occult cult films, hence the inclusion in a trailer for CUFF, where he screened.
Indie Shorts Mag: Your upcoming concert film features Michael Gira of the iconic art-rock band Swans. What was it like collaborating with such a seminal artist, and what can audiences expect from âI Wonder If Iâm Singing What Youâre Thinking Me to Singâ?
C. S. Nicholson: Working with Michael was a very uplifting experience. We didnât sit together in an editing suite or anything. Apart from the shoot and a couple of face to face conversations, it was done remotely. But he was very encouraging. Though he had notes and suggestions, he basically gave me full freedom. There was a period when Michael produced records by other artists, and I think I caught a tiny glimpse of that Michael, the nurturer of talent.
It could easily have gone the other way! I decided to remix the live recordings. I remember Stian being very reluctant when I asked him to help me. A musician himself, he thought it was sacrilegous to mess with Michaelâs songs like that. He expected Michael to pull the plug on the whole thing! Instead, Michael ended up giving us his blessing.
Of course, if youâve watched the film, youâll have seen that the material Michael gave us to work with was exceptional. I tried to do his stellar performance justice by not merely documenting the event. That would only have resulted in a cheap replica. The film had to be its own experience. Thatâs why itâs in black-and-white, because people didnât experience the concert that way. Once again I enlisted Jens Valberg to do various VFX, to wrench the images away from the objectivity of cinematography. A concert exists in the intangible headspace between performer and audience, so thatâs the space I was going for, and thatâs the place I hope viewers will go to.
Indie Shorts Mag: Your first feature-length documentary, âA Stranger Has No Eyes,â is described as a companion piece to âThe Discoverer of the Discoverers.â In what ways do the two films connect, and what new territory does the feature film explore?
C. S. Nicholson: A Stranger Has No Eyes was shot during the same period and on the same location as âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ. It, too, deals with Europeâs abuses of Africa, though this one focuses more specifically on the slave trade. It also has a clearly defined main character, and follows a more conventional narrative structure. Thereâs even a plot!
While âThe Discoverer if the Discoverersâ is about framingâor perhaps re-framingâhistory, A Stranger Has No Eyes looks at power. At how the acquisition of power might change the way we speak and even think about history. In it, we get to see the multiple ways in which people from all walks of life still worship Francisco FĂŠlix de Souza, who was an enormously prolific slave trader in Dahomey. His descendants are still influential in Benin today, and they perform rites of ancestor worship for him. The Catholic Church performs Mass for him⌠Descendants of his slaves, too, worship himâsometimes in ways that give them symbolic power over his descendants, who in turn wield financial power over themâŚ
Itâs quite a dizzying look at the logic of power, and the myriad ways we venerate wealth and influence. We like to think we live in times where we âstand up toâ authority figures and âspeak truth to powerâ. There have been some gains in the Westâthe MeToo movement produced some results, statues have been toppled, a few celebrities are in prison, and so onâbut in the US, say, or the UK, weâve been witnessing clear examples of certain people being above the law. Society is essentially role play, and we go to great lengths to submit to power, willingly. I suspect weâre incapable of not being seduced and entranced by it.
In Benin, this trance sometimes manifests itself literally. If you like possession ceremonies, spiritual masquerades and carnevals, youâll love A Stranger Has No Eyes. Cinematographer Peder Bratterud worked on both âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ and âI Wonder If Iâm Singing What Youâre Thinking Me to Singâ, but some of his most remarkable images can be found in this film.
Indie Shorts Mag: Youâve mentioned that you are currently seeking funding to complete post-production for âA Stranger Has No Eyes.â Could you elaborate on your vision for the filmâs grade and sound design, and how that final polish will be crucial to realizing the filmâs full potential?
C. S. Nicholson: As A Stranger Has No Eyes is a companion film to âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ, Iâd like it to have the same look. Jens Valberg did a masterful job on the short, unleashing the painterly potential of Peder Bratterudâs striking cinematography under the hazy, diffused light of the Harmattan, West Africaâs Saharan smog. I want to replicate this aesthetic.
I do have some new things Iâd like to try with the sound design. Instead of the ordinary atmos to cover up edits, Iâve toyed with the idea of cutting up and looping the ambience at various intervals, depending on the rhythm of the sceneâa bit like some sound artists make music from ambient field recordings. The goal would be to create a pulse you donât consciously notice. Iâd also like to subtly equalise and ever so slowly pan the atmos, much like we do the music, to further any hypnotic swirl the film might lull you into. Iâm sure Iâll drive Anna Nilsson, the sound designer on âThe Discoverer of the Discoverersâ, mad if I manage to raise the funds to have her work with me again.
Indie Shorts Mag: After 16 years in the industry working as a director, story producer, and editor, what is the most valuable lesson you have learned about the craft and business of filmmaking, especially for independent creators?
C. S. Nicholson: I wish I had something useful to impart. But I work in TV to get by, and my films remain in the underground. I try to learn as I go, but havenât come far. At least not in terms of the business of filmmaking. Perhaps if I compromised more, I could enjoy more success in that regard. But I compromise every day I work for somebody else, so Iâm not about to water down my own projects. I just power through, despite industry reluctance and audience indifference. But thatâs not exactly sage advice.
Indie Shorts Mag: For the aspiring filmmakers reading Indie Shorts Mag, what advice would you give them on developing a unique creative voice and building a sustainable career in a competitive industry?
C. S. Nicholson: Iâm not fit to give anybody advice, really. Do I even have a unique creative voice myself? Maybe Iâd say, âDonât think about your voice. What does the story require? How do you imagine youâll emphasise the parts that drew you to it?â Hopefully a distinctive perspective will emerge.
Iâm equally unfit to give advice about a sustainable career. I work in TV for a living, and donât think of my films as amounting to a career, really. My projects bleed me dry, basically. What I do is not sustainable for my wallet, my health or my relationships. But I canât see how making somewhat experimental documentaries about non-tabloid subjects can become profitable enough for me to live off them. I mean, if Errol Morris and Todd Field need to direct commercials to pay the bills, what chance do I stand?
What I will say is that when you work for others for a living, try not to give so much that you have little left over for your own projects. I regret getting too sidetracked by paid gigs. Though we all need to eat, of courseâŚ
As our conversation with C. S. Nicholson draws to a close, it is clear that his journey as a filmmaker is as unconventional as his artistic vision. From his academic roots to his hands-on approach to music and sound design, Nicholsonâs work is a testament to the power of a singular, uncompromising voice in independent cinema. With his feature debut, âA Stranger Has No Eyes,â on the horizon, the film world awaits another mesmerizing exploration of power, history, and the human psyche. For aspiring filmmakers and seasoned cinephiles alike, Nicholsonâs journey is a compelling reminder that the most profound stories are often found not in definitive answers but in the courage to ask unsettling questions and to follow oneâs creative intuition, no matter where it may lead.
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